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I've shot 100's of animals with CCW pistols and loads

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158 gr lhp .38's,  147 gr 9mm, 230 gr .45 jhp's, do not expand reliably, if at ALL, in flesh and blood.  You need at leas 1000 fps for such performance in a .45, and they only get 800 fps. You need at  least 1200 fps to get reliable expansion in a 9mm.  Clothing debris can "clog" a hp's nose cavity, delaying or eliminating expansion. the jhp can be squeezed shut by impact with the sternum or a rib, too. I dont trust such ammo unless the .45 has 1200 fps and the 9mm has 1400 fps.

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